some thoughts about starting process manager...

Stanley Gambarin (
Mon, 22 Sep 1997 22:06:57 -0400 (EDT)

Date: Mon, 22 Sep 1997 22:06:57 -0400 (EDT)
From: Stanley Gambarin <>
Subject: some thoughts about starting process manager...
Message-Id: <Pine.GSO.3.96.970922213911.26078A-100000@csa>

	I was just thinking about some stuff and I thought other
people maybe interested in it... The code for the starting of the
process manager in Apache's mod_fastcgi was changed in 2.0.x 
to perform the following...
	- the process manager gets invoked in the stage when
the configuration files are read (ModFastCGIInit()).  This 
constituted a problem since the config files are read by the
Apache twice on the startup.  I had put in some code not to 
start the process manager during the first time (since it was
previously causing a lot of FCGI processes to be parentless,
when the process manager was killed).  However, the following
situation is still a problem:

	- start the server without any AppClass
	- edit config files to add AppClass directives
	- send server SIGHUP/SIGUSR1

	I am pretty sure that the server will not start
the process manager (although... i am writing this from 
memory)  The process manager will think this is a first
time config files are being read and it will NOT fork/exec
process manager, so none of the FCGI apps will get 
started.  However, sending it another SIGHUP would make
it start the process manager and all FCGI apps.  This maybe
related to the problem that one of the people on th list had
reported (sorry, email was accidentally deleted). I just 
want people to be aware of this problem (if it is one)
The proper fix would be to move start of the process manager
to the child_init() phase of the apache server, but that's
also no good because:

	- still have the same problem of when do I need to 
terminate/restart the process manager (since new information
is in the config files) - and how to do it with graceful
restarts ???
	- this also breaks the backward compatibility with
the Apache 1.1.x series, where child_init() phase is not 
present.. oh well..